06/19/03:
DER LONG-PROMISED RANT AUF KLAUS. My response
to an antiwar diatribe addressed to us some time ago by an acquaintance. Did
you know, for example, that George W. Bush is a... a mean man?
Read on.
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While we mobilized the most powerful war
machine in human history to go after this pathetic despot, the Israelis
continued to terrorize Palestinians on and within their country's borders.
Oh, I see. It’s the anti-Semitic vein running
through the "left" that you have bought into.
It’s called "jihad" when
Palestinians blow up and/or machine gun innocent school children but it’s
"terror" when the Israelis respond in their own defense. The so
called "occupied territories" were captured by Israeli forces in
operations of SELF DEFENSE against Arab attacks.
Gee, why don’t the Palestinians’ Arab
brethren provide them with a homeland?
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Our unconditional support
Our support is not "unconditional."
But The US is
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for their unethical
treatment
Self defense is unethical? Are Palestinian
homicide bombers exhibiting unethical treatment of the Israelis?
coupled with our readiness
to go to war against a regime that was not threatening us in any way
And by similar logic, you’d say that al Qaeda
was no threat on September 10th?
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has many people around
the world wondering how we could be so shortsighted and self-righteous.
It remains the antiwar left, both domestic
AND European, which is myopic; the present administration with the big picture
and the long term goal of global security and liberalization. But, it remains
the blind hatred of George Bush by the left which blinds them also to
the intelligence and leadership of this administration. Too bad you’re going to
miss it all.
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I believe we are led by a vindictive insecure
man who has finally found something to swagger about
Again, many people used to believe that the
Earth was flat. Their belief didn’t make it so.
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, so yes, I
will sing kumbaya, and I would sing any damn thing if it would give
him pause, and make him consider the possibility that others' perspectives
might be as valid as his.
Perhaps YOU should consider the possibility
that his perspective is more valid than yours.
It is the antiwar left who lives in their own
shrunken narrow insular world of fictions, factoids and paranoid conspiracy
theories, devoid of hope, devoid of optimism for the future. And their
perspective might NOT be as valid in the empirical, pragmatic REAL
WORLD. That one can HAVE an alternate perspective does not mean that the REAL
WORLD will change shape to conform to it.
Surely the Bush Administration has examined
many, many scenarios to deal with the crises we now face.
.
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Bush has exploited 9-11, and our dread of a
repeat of that horror, to advance his desire to smash and bully. I don't have a
problem with going to war against bad people, but I do if we are lying to
ourselves and/or being lied to as to the reasons why.
Your implicit assumption here is that
Operation Iraqi Freedom was conceived purely to satisfy the President’s desire
to "smash and bully." Do you actually believe that 2/3 of Congress
(remember, that vote was held BEFORE midterm elections) would have voted to approve
the use of force against the Hussein regime, that the US would have drawn
together a coalition of some 49 countries, that Tony Blair, a LIBERAL
DEMOCRAT would be our strongest ally, if this was just so George Bush would
have the opportunity to "smash and bully."
What evidence do you have to support
this extreme hypothesis?
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If the reason is to stop a potential
aggressor, then we damn well better be ready to fight many other Arab nations
and Korea and some African ones too,
We are ready.
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because heck, who knows,
someday they may want to use their weapons -- many of which are sold to them by
Can you substantiate these claims? Have we
been recently selling arms to
Exactly what do mean by saying that the
In terms of what? 40% of the cash
value of weapons? 40% of the quantity of weapons?
Which type of weapons? Sold to whom and to
what consequence? Should no weapons be developed or produced in the
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If the war was to deal with nations with
weapons of mass destruction, then why don't we just stop our companies from
selling them
EXCUSE ME?!
What US companies are selling weapons of mass
destruction to what countries?!
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, and why do we not sign the international
treaties that Bush walked away from that would have slowed their spread?
Which treaties would have slowed the spread
of WMD?
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If the war was to stop someone who might
attack another nation, can't we see that would include we ourselves?
Oh yeah, right – moral equivalence between
the
Do you actually not see the absurdity of that
argument? These arguments are nothing more than ridiculous logical brain
teasers. Self defense is a legitimate causus
belli. We cannot wait for someone to throw the
first punch when that punch could incinerate a large city.
Facts? Who needs them in the
ethereal world of the self-described intellectual elite who exist in some kind
of divine rarified realm of thought and polemics for their own sake? Certainly meritocrats can THINK of a solution to every problem such
as another Albrightian "Agreed Framework"
which is proving, as I write, its utter, abject failure. This "constituency
of the mind" loved
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I am glad we fought against the Nazis and
proud that my father served, was caught as a POW, escaped, was caught again,
and escaped and made his way to Prague when Patton liberated it.
And the spineless French appeaseniks
would have turned him into the Nazis.
Your father certainly proved his mettle. I am
comforted to know that fully half of your genome came from him.
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But that war was different in profound ways
from this one.
That’s right; everyone waited for the threat
to mature. How many times have you heard: "If only someone would have
gotten rid of Hitler earlier."
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This one has been motivated by the fear of
what-if,
I disagree. The motivation is more like
"when."
Therefore, by this logic, we should only act
in self defense AFTER we have been attacked. And by this same logic, even if we
KNEW that al qaeda was about to attack the WTC, we
still should have waited until they actually DID attack.
A smoking gun has already been fired.
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and
in causing this war we
have now made peoples around the world afraid as
we are afraid.
We have made tyrants afraid and I’m FOR IT!
Now we see Assad
behaving himself. We see Korea Kim starting to wobble.
AND, the citizens see that THEY are not the
targets, their oppressors are.
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I am powerless as one citizen to do anything
to slow the spread of madness/fear -- the only way we will be more secure is to
act more ethically ourselves.
You assume that the threats we face to our
security are the direct result of "unethical actions" by the
If not for the
We are more secure today than we were two
years ago. Is it unethical, as in Afghanistan, to liberate a brutally repressed
people from a medieval tyranny in which women’s rights are non-existent, men
are beaten for having too-short of beards, where listening to music gets one
beaten? Is it unethical for a the United States to defend itself, while going
to extreme measures to minimize civilian casualties, against an enemy which
attacked US civilians, killing almost 4,000 Americans on US soil?
Is it unethical, in Iraq, to forcefully
depose, in an operation which successfully went to historically unprecedented
lengths to avoid civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure, a
totalitarian dictator who is responsible for the deaths of some 1,500,000 Iraqi
citizens, who is an active sponsor of terrorist organizations who target
innocent civilians, who violates UN sanctions requiring him to provide his
civilians with the basic needs for survival, who violates UN resolutions
(passed unanimously by the Security Council) requiring his disarmament of WMD?
Check the following link to Human Rights
Watch to study Saddam’s reign of terror against Iraqis.
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The power of ethics and dignity and
compassion that Gandhi showed is not wimpy.
Above (sec 41) you imply that the
So, which is it?
Do you actually believe that this would
achieve anything other than to facilitate their efforts to kill as many
"infidels" as possible? Man, what kind of dream world are you living
in?
That image from "War of the Worlds"
comes to mind wherein the Priest, Bible in hand and reciting the Lord’s Prayer,
approaches one of the alien ships only to be vaporized by their disintegrating
ray.
That's the kind of guts I wish Bush would
show, not the kind of "courage" that is because his guns are bigger
than theirs.
And just WHAT would you have George do, treat
them to flatbread while sitting crosslegged in
homespun on the floor of the Oval Office?
Fact:
Gandhi was not facing the treat of NUCLEAR
WEAPONS in the hands of terrorists and rogue states.
Gandhi also knew, and exploited, the fact
that British forces in
Islamists, to the contrary, are regarded as
heroes back home for the killing of "Infidels" and do not answer to
nations governed by the rule of law. Passive resistance to these Islamo-Kamakazis is suicide.
Who would the antiwar left volunteer for
passive resistance duty against Islamists?
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So I'm gonna sing kumbaya and hope like hell he doesn't take us to war with
anyone else now. I hope we do a helluva lot better
job of "rebuilding"
Rebuilding a nation takes time--why does
everyone expect that we should be able to repair in a year what 22 years of
civil war have wrought? We have not abandoned
http://www.export.gov/afghanistan/index.html
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We broke our promise there
NOT!
Based upon what EVIDENCE?
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, just as we did to
the Shiites and Kurds in 1991 when we promised to help them if they revolted
against Saddam. We walked away and let them get slaughtered,
I agree. That was a grievous mistake. The
fact that we have learned from that mistake is evidenced by our performance in
both
The left reminds me of a bad wife who harps
upon her husbands rare past errors in spite of his overwhelming generosity and
success.
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and now we're back only
because Bush has used tortured "logic" to show that somehow by
killing Saddam we're going to stop Bin Laden -- huh?
Nonsense! The President has made NO SUCH
CLAIM. Your assumption here has no basis in fact.
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We're back in war against
I really am shocked that you have bought into
this ridiculously specious theory.
It evidences the utter desperation of the
left.
Have you any credible EVIDENCE to support
this claim?
I didn’t think so.
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we're not there because
I have yet to hear that reason proposed by
ANYONE in the administration.
Where do you get this idea to begin with?
Hell,
While
Continued Tomorrow
posted by Klaus (mit mein vicious Hund, Helmut) 06/19/03